Why did it fail?
Do we have any going on now? (i.e. IHOP with Mike Bickle, Todd Bentley, Joyner Forerunner school, Chavda, etc.)
Randall
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Shieldwolf
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School of the Prophets |
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What is it? Other names?
Why did it fail? Do we have any going on now? (i.e. IHOP with Mike Bickle, Todd Bentley, Joyner Forerunner school, Chavda, etc.) Randall |
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HopeOfZion |
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Good question, brother. Randall, this my understanding of it.
Because there is a great need, and others have responded in earnest to what knowledge and understanding they have, and seek to do His will... the Lord has seen fit to allow a partial fulfillment of this to take place in any number of places at various time. However, not a fullness thereof. The school of the prophets... like many things in the church were put on hold, and never really got permanently established because of the disobedience of the Saints. The words of the prophet and the law of Zion and our God became a thing of naught, and every man did according to what he thought was right. Opionions mattered more than revelation. The School of Prophets will be re-established when there is a people will to do all that the Lord asks of them. Until that time comes, to receive those things which the Lord would share in the School would only add to our condemnation. I don't believe we will be very long away from it... it is on my heart very much. All things in their proper order. |
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Shieldwolf |
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Quote: I know the feeling, brother! Would it be possible for such a school to be inter-denominational among restoration churches kind of like this discussion board? How would one establish a foundation? |
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HopeOfZion |
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From what I read and understand of the School... everything is to be done in certain and proper order. Opinions and divergent beliefs cannot prosper there. As there is one God, there is one truth. It is God's way, or no way at all. Man's way must submit to His will in this school...completely.
So, I guess it all depends on what you mean by interdenominational. However, the main purpose of the School... as I understand it, was not only to educate the Priesthood, but also to get them all on the same page in their understanding and belief. In our current scattered state, with so many different understandings, it seems very appropriate that the School would initially be an open invitation to all those who qualify (meaning priesthood). The two main purposes of the School would be to equip the priesthood for the ministry, and teach them from on high the proper understanding of doctrine, belief, etc. I believe anyone serious about participating must take the scriptures very seriously. Those who treat lightly the word of God and prefer their opinions over that of revelation and the laws of God, will not be there very long. That is my sincere belief. |
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Wildman |
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Here is something we also may need to consider. The school was led by one with a profound prophetic gift (Joseph Smith). So before we could have a school of the prophets, one with this enhanced capacity may be needed first to lead it.
I really enjoy hearing Mike Bickle and Rick Joyner speak. But you will still find "wholes" in their messages. So while I really admire them for what they are doing, even they are not the types of prophets to lead what "we see" as a school of the prophets! But like Doug, I believe they are quickly coming, because the Lord and the world needs them to rise up! Steve |
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Shieldwolf |
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Quote: I like what those prophetic men are doing, but I still have my reservations in regards to them also. I have not gotten clear confirmation of the Spirit in regards to their messages. I like the messages, but I would not "hang my hat on them" so to speak. Did JS, Jr. actually lead this school or schools or just guide it? Was there not a "school of the prophets", a "school of apostles", a "school of elders", not to mention a regular school for children and a "seminary"? At my friend's ordination (to elder) Sunday, Don M. stated he would rather have one with passion than 10 educated persons (in front of the MC president). I agree. What needs to be a part of this school?!? I think "The Royal Way" by Brother Andrew needs to be a clear part of this school with persons sent out on a mission, but they must learn to rely on the Spirit and God. Are you guys familiar with his story? This developed a passion for Christ and also a trust in the power of God so that Brother Andrew could pray..."You made blind eyes see; please make seeing eyes blind." in regards to smuggling Scriptures into Iron Curtain countries. |
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HopeOfZion |
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For our consideration:
RLDS D&C 85:39-46 Quote: |
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Shieldwolf |
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Brother,
I am not really sure where you are going with the quote. Instead of one group, we now have many. I am not aware of any that do foot-washing as an ordinance though I have participated in this when it was led by the Spirit. We do not do the salute. We have a number of groups that have their own Prophet-Presidents (Stephen Veazey with CoC, soon to be Monson with LDS, Larson with Remnant) and many others. Would these lead a school separate from their denominations own educational institutions? No. Please clarify where you are going with this long quote. The above worked for that time frame though even the D. & C. speaks of disagreements arising in the School of the Prophets and persons following their own way rather than God's way. I think that you can pattern some things off of the early school, but that other things would have to be changed for this day and time. Randall |
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HopeOfZion |
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Brother Randall, I'm not going anywhere with the quote, and its length is not really my doing - but God's.
I share it here because it is the word of God concerning the subject of our discussion, the very revelation from which Latter Day Saints originally derive the notion of a School of the Prophets, so it may be to our benefit to have it here to examine. The Lord's Kingdom and the work of the Father isn't going from ONE to MANY different directions . But it is a gathering of MANY into ONE. Therefore the current scattered condition of the church and the Saints is not the direction His people are headed for... but headed away from. The Kingdom will have order, and that order will be established by God. I cannot answer your question about whether Veazey, Monson, Larson or some other should lead it, because God has not yet revealed it. Bottom line, I believe, is that we ourselves cannot decide to establish the School of the Prophets and vote on who we think should lead it. We will need to be led into it by the Spirit of God, and by revelation, when it is time. In the meanwhile it is good that we should seek these answers from the Lord and long for the time when we may enjoy its benefit again. |
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Shieldwolf |
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Quote: I cannot argue with this. It must be Christ-centered, Spirit-filled, and God-established. Otherwise, the many could not become one both with Restoration groups and denominations and with Christian groups and denominations. It should be Kingdom-focused and God-directed. Humility and service should be foundational as your quote of the D. & C. illustrates. |
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Shieldwolf |
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walking brother |
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As I think about things God has taught me, and how the Spirit leads us, I have questions about wether we need an organized school to be taught the ways of God. In old testament days God was very angry because they no longer wanted Him as their teacher and guide and wanted a King or Judges appointed over them instead. In the beginning the Prophets were taught by the voice of God alone and needed no man as their teacher. And as Steve was teaching we are to walk in the stead of Jesus and He relied on no man to lead Him or teach Him but only did what the Father told Him to do. I wonder if God expects us to go back to the way of the early Prophets. The early Prophets went and did and said as God spoke. If we're talking about learning to be Prophetic I prefer God to teach. I don't want to upset the other thoughts here but this was coming to me as I read here. In love, your Bro.
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Shieldwolf |
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Quote: It's definitely preferable to learn directly from God. However, I believe that we can learn from being around others. When I played ping-pong in college, I became a better player by playing against ones better than me. I have become more prophetic or Spiritually-tuned by being around others that are prophetic. I do not always agree with them, but we learn from each other. I see a "School of the Prophets" as a test case in a sense for bringing all the Restoration groups together, for focusing on learning from God and each other, for establishing Zion--one heart and one mind with Christ in their midst. Zion is about establishing a righteous community. A "school of the prophets" IMO would be about training persons to build truly righteous communities and to walk humbly in power and endowment to change the world in the name of Jesus. This is just my thoughts on why I feel it is needed. I hope that I am not offending you, brother! That is not my intention. Randall |
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HopeOfZion |
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Walking Brother,
Good thoughts. I don't believe you are wrong, any more than I believe Randall or others who long for a School of the Prophets are wrong in their hopes. I don't believe this is an either / or situation. I don't believe learning from God, and learning from a man is a mutually exclusive idea. As I am sure, you don't either. It am reminded of the extremes of some people I have met over the years (and I was once one of them) who seem to think all they need is God, and they don't need to be connected to a body of believers and held accountable by any other authority than God. Most of these people end up with a spirit of lawlessness. The other extreme, of course, are people that don't know how to have a relationship with God or get answers directly from Him, and they tend to rely on the arm of flesh far too much. I believe God made it so that we should be more evenly centered... that every man should know and hear from God, but that we also be joined with the rest of the body, and be subject to authorities and held accountable in our relationships with our brothers and sisters in Christ, for the word of the Lord is established in the mouth of multiple witnesses, and we are all vulnerable on occasion to error and deception. Sometimes we do not hear God right... sometimes we go off down a path not ordained of God, and we need someone to step in with a word from the Lord. Even if there is a prophet teaching in a School, (and I believe there will be many prophets in these last days), ultimately, if it is a true prophet, then we are indeed hearing from God. I believe God has made us somewhat dependent on one another for a wise purpose... and that we must learn to be one, and learn how to love one another...and watch over one another, as He does. I believe God gives us each only a PART of the big picture. We see in part. None of us has all the answers... whether we know God or not, God does not share everything with us personally. He sometimes tells others things he did not tell us. And he tells us things he did not share with others. When we come together, I might share something, and another brother shares something else, and in the sharing both are edified, because both brethren brought their pieces of the puzzle together, and the Spirit is there helping us piece the mystery together. God intends us to fellowship with Him. But not Him only, but with each other. And if we cannot learn from one another... I have doubts we can truly learn from God - for He requires humility. Most can muster humility enough to be humble before God... but where we struggle is in humbling ourselves before men, and each other. Admitting we do not know all things. It is hard to consider other view points, and listen to those who disagree with us. But it is all a part of the plan of God for us to learn how to do this, even before He returns. And this is a part of what Zion is. For these reasons, and others, I appreciate both points of view, and appreciate the stance of everyone involved in discussing this topic. |
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walking brother |
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HopeofZion
I agree whole heartedly. I guess I am having mixed feelings about what a school of the prophets is meant to be and its purpose. Is it to teach each other the ways of the Kingdom, priesthood edu. Restoration history is not real clear on what the purpose truly was. I need more understanding,so I hope this thread can help each other learn its purpose. In Love, your Bro. |
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HopeOfZion |
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I wouldn't pretend to fully understand the purposes behind the School of the Prophets, but I do strongly believe that at least part of its purpose is to fulfill the following statement of Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:10:
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Shieldwolf |
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HopeOfZion wrote: Does this not also go with the City of Enoch that was taken because they were of "one heart and one mind and dwelt in righteousness"?--Genesis 7:23 Inspired Version. |
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HopeOfZion |
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yes! And...as Jesus said, if we are not one, we are not His.
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SoulsAtWar |
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The Lord is sending his prophets, of whom you speak, through the furnace of affliction even now. That they be made whole and without blemish. So that you will know that it is the Lord who sent them to give you gifts of old and gifts of new.
This is what the Lord has spoken to me. |
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Matthew 13:52 "Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe [which is] instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure [things] new and old." |
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SoulsAtWar |
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Throw your wants away and pick up the needs of Christ and all shall be revealed. Hold none above Him. All fail you, save the Lord who is Jesus.
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